Time Machine

From: mark greenberg <mrgapc@[Protected]>
i just upgraded to OS X.5 and hooked up a 500gB external hardrive to
be the TimeMachine back-up--now what do i do to get the automatic back-
up going?
Mark

From: "Stephen Strum, MD" <stephen@[Protected]>
Mark,

Go to Apple icon in Left upper corner
Click on System Preferences
Find TIME MACHINE in lowest row and click on it to open
Make sure tiime machine is turned on per the on/off toggle switch that you
see. Also, check box to show time machine in status bar is helpful to me so
check it.
Plug in your external hard drive which I assume is new or has plenty of
space.
You should see the time machine icon start to turn in your menu bar within a
minute. If not, click on Icon to open and click on Back Up Now.
If that does not work then get help from someone else.

< Stephen Strum



> From: mark greenberg <mrgapc@[Protected]>
> Reply-To: ASHMUG Discussion <ashmug-talk@[Protected]>
> Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:09:30 -0700
> To: ASHMUG Discussion <ashmug-talk@[Protected]>
> Subject: [ASHMUG] Time Machine
>
> i just upgraded to OS X.5 and hooked up a 500gB external hardrive to
> be the TimeMachine back-up--now what do i do to get the automatic back-
> up going?
> Mark
>
>
>
>

From: Doug Gentry <doug@[Protected]>
If you have the little Clock with the circular arrow around it up in
your menu bar on the right side you can click on that and in the
little pull down menu choose "Open Time Machine Preferences". If you
don't have this, go to your System Preferences (probably in your Dock)
and find Time Machine in there. That has a place to Change Disk, and
you can choose the new external HD.

Before you do that, here's another consideration. And I'd appreciate
comments from others on this. Is the external HD a FireWire drive? If
so... If 500 gB is way bigger (several times?) than your computer's
hard drive, consider partitioning it into two partitions. You would
do that using the Disk Utility application found in your application
folder and within that in the Utilities folder. Create one partition
labeled something like "Bootable" and make it comfortably big enough
to hold your entire hard drive with some squoosh room to spare. Then
make another partition (you can label it Time Machine Backup or
something more clever.) Have this partition be the size of the
remaining external space - hopefully a good deal bigger than your
current HD.

Then when you open the Time Machine preferences and choose the Change
Disk, point Time Machine to this second partition. When you first run
Time Machine it will take a long time for the first backup since it is
starting from scratch. From then on each incremental backup will be
very fast.

Now the reason I recommend the the partitioning is that you can't use
the Time Machine as your startup disk in the event your hard drive
fails on your computer. Your files will be safe (fingers crossed!) but
you won't be able to start up the computer holding the option key down
and choose the external drive as your start up drive.

If you pay the small fee for a copy of SuperDuper http://www.shirt-pocket.com/SuperDuper/
you can run a separate backup every now and then to the first
partition - the one labeled Bootable or whatever. SD can make a copy
of your hard disk that is bootable.

I have Time Machine on pretty much all the time, and it does its thing
with only a couple of hiccups. Then once a week or so I run
SuperDuper, so that I know I have a bootable copy. Then if my internal
HD fails I can still run in the short run, until I figure out a
strategy to replace the HD and/or get the Mac into the shop.

What do others do?

....Doug

On Oct 16, 2008, at 9:09 PM, mark greenberg wrote:

> i just upgraded to OS X.5 and hooked up a 500gB external hardrive to
> be the TimeMachine back-up--now what do i do to get the automatic
> back-up going?
> Mark
>
>

From: John Taylor <jkt13@[Protected]>

From: mark greenberg <mrgapc@[Protected]>

From: "Liza K. Christian" <windsong@[Protected]>
FYI: Side bar to the TM discussion:
I'm not on Leopard, ergo not using TIme Machine, but my cousin who is
a hip programmer/developer in both Mac and Windows, recently
discovered that a Windows sleep utility could corrupt his Mac
partition on his MBP.


On Oct 17, 2008, at 7:32 AM, mark greenberg wrote:

From: John Taylor <jkt13@[Protected]>

From: Bruce McAlevy <mcalevy@[Protected]>

From: Bruce McAlevy <mcalevy@[Protected]>
My time machine will no longer back up. It works if I plug the drive
directly into the laptop, but not through the airport extreme.

When I select Back up Now, this is the log messages I get.

Mar 3 23:02:54 bruce-mcalevys-macbook-pro-15 /System/Library/
CoreServices/backupd[410]: Backup requested by user
Mar 3 23:02:54 bruce-mcalevys-macbook-pro-15 /System/Library/
CoreServices/backupd[410]: Starting standard backup
Mar 3 23:02:54 bruce-mcalevys-macbook-pro-15 /System/Library/
CoreServices/backupd[410]: Error -35 while resolving alias to backup
target
Mar 3 23:02:59 bruce-mcalevys-macbook-pro-15 /System/Library/
CoreServices/backupd[410]: Backup failed with error: 19


When I attempt to open the drive in the finder in the left column of a
windos, it says connection failed.

When I click the connect as, these messages show up

Mar 3 23:11:50 bruce-mcalevys-macbook-pro-15 NetAuthAgent[429]:
Cannot find factory 69DFF912-F8B5-11D5-B151-003065A0E6DE
Mar 3 23:11:50: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Mar 3 23:11:50 bruce-mcalevys-macbook-pro-15 /System/Library/
CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/MacOS/Finder[252]:
SharePointBrowser::handleOpenCallBack returned 45

Incidentally, my hard drive is full, and time machine has to delete
some stuff before it can back up, so a time machine cycle with the
drive directly attached takes more than 20 minutes.

I have the 'warn when backups deleted' box checked, but I do not get
the warning even when directly attached, but I know it is deleting
stuff because the size of the backup is greater than the space
available, and it does complete to the directly attached drive.



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From: Sandra & David <screenmobile59@[Protected]>
I have timemachine on my macbook, am running 10.5.8

I have an external hard drive hooked up. I often disconnect my
laptop and use it in the other room. Before I disconnect, I click on
the icon on my desktop, and click on the window to allow me to take
plugs off safely. (cannot rememer the words used in the window).

Often when I plug everything back in, the hard drive icon doesnt show
on the desktop and time machine doesnt work.

My external harddrive light is on, and its two plugs are in, and it is
in at the hub, and the hub is connected to the computer. If I bypass
the hub, it still doesnt work.

This happens about one out of four times I disconnect, and then seems
to come on by itself at some point, but today the icon is not coming
back to the desktop and time maching says it cannot connect to do its
job. In preferences it is in the on position. Is there a trick to get
it to come back on when I replace the plug from the external hard
drive? My mac mentor doesnt know what to do. Sandra

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From: Marmalute <mkowens@[Protected]>
I'm interested in hearing the solution to your question. You followed
all the correct steps, as I know them.
I only connect my laptop to the HD for Time Machine once a day.
Usually the icon pops right up on the screen but occasionaly it takes
a moment or two.
I plug the HD directly into my MBP port. Not the USB but 400 FireWire ?

Would it help to know what brand of HD you use? Would this be a HD
failure or system failure? I'd like to hear what others have to say.

- MKOwens

On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Sandra & David <screenmobile59@[Protected]
> wrote:

> I have timemachine on my macbook, am running 10.5.8
>
> I have an external hard drive hooked up. I often disconnect my
> laptop and use it in the other room. Before I disconnect, I click on
> the icon on my desktop, and click on the window to allow me to take
> plugs off safely. (cannot rememer the words used in the window).
>
> Often when I plug everything back in, the hard drive icon doesnt
> show on the desktop and time machine doesnt work.
>
> My external harddrive light is on, and its two plugs are in, and it
> is in at the hub, and the hub is connected to the computer. If I
> bypass the hub, it still doesnt work.
>
> This happens about one out of four times I disconnect, and then
> seems to come on by itself at some point, but today the icon is not
> coming back to the desktop and time maching says it cannot connect
> to do its job. In preferences it is in the on position. Is there a
> trick to get it to come back on when I replace the plug from the
> external hard drive? My mac mentor doesnt know what to do. Sandra
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From: Yvonne Fried <yfried@[Protected]>
What has worked for me is the following:

1) Eject the Time Machine external hard drive as you have been doing.
2) Disconnect the USB cable from the Time Machine hard drive to the
USB hub.
3) Turn off the Time Machine hard drive.

Then when you want to attach the Time Machine hard drive to do a Time
Machine Backup, do the following:
1) Plug in the USB cable from the Time Machine hard drive to the USB
hub.
2) Make sure that your USB hub is connected to your laptop.
3) Turn on the Time Machine hard drive.

If you don't see the icon for the Time Machine external hard drive on
your desktop, then I would suggest disconnecting the USB hub from the
laptop and then reconnecting the USB hub to the laptop.

Sometimes you don't know if the problem is the external hard drive or
the relationship of the hard drive and the USB hub.
I try to isolate things by turning them off. Because then, when you
turn them on, they send a signal through the "channels" to the laptop
that they are now alive and exist, and it is then that I see the
external hard drive show up on my desktop.

I hope this helps. If it doesn't, try bringing the laptop and your
Time Machine external hard drive and USB hub (with all the plugs and
wires necessary to make them work) to the next meeting and we can use
it to demonstrate how to trouble shoot this issue and see if we can
find why it's happening, and if not, just how to make it work properly.

Yvonne


On Aug 24, 2009, at 10:28 AM, Sandra & David wrote:

> I have timemachine on my macbook, am running 10.5.8
>
> I have an external hard drive hooked up. I often disconnect my
> laptop and use it in the other room. Before I disconnect, I click on
> the icon on my desktop, and click on the window to allow me to take
> plugs off safely. (cannot rememer the words used in the window).
>
> Often when I plug everything back in, the hard drive icon doesnt
> show on the desktop and time machine doesnt work.
>
> My external harddrive light is on, and its two plugs are in, and it
> is in at the hub, and the hub is connected to the computer. If I
> bypass the hub, it still doesnt work.
>
> This happens about one out of four times I disconnect, and then
> seems to come on by itself at some point, but today the icon is not
> coming back to the desktop and time maching says it cannot connect
> to do its job. In preferences it is in the on position. Is there a
> trick to get it to come back on when I replace the plug from the
> external hard drive? My mac mentor doesnt know what to do. Sandra
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From: Shirley Kehr <shirleykat@[Protected]>
I too am interested in this question. I've read of others not having
their time machine work after disconnecting the HD, so I'm afraid to
disconnect it. That HD is connected by 800 FW and there is an
available 400 FW port, so I don't have to disconnect it, but that
doesn't help you with a laptop.

I have trouble with USB devices too. Remember when we thought SCSI was
a black art? I think USB and Firewire are too, especially if you're
trying to get iMovie to control a camcorder.

I've found that when inserting an SD card into the USB reader, I have
to do it quickly. If I push it in too slowly, it won't show up. With
the Kindle, I've had good luck once I learned that it must be active
when I plug it in.

Other times, you might be able to see a hard disk using disk utility
and mount it that way. However, I usually noticed that disk utility
would see the drive but be unable to mount it so I could see it in the
Finder.

The one thing that has worked for me if the card reader doesn't see
the SD card is to reboot the computer. The next time I insert the card
after the reboot, it shows up in the Finder.

Shirley


On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> I have timemachine on my macbook, am running 10.5.8
>
> I have an external hard drive hooked up. I often disconnect my
> laptop and use it in the other room. Before I disconnect, I click on
> the icon on my desktop, and click on the window to allow me to take
> plugs off safely. (cannot rememer the words used in the window).
>
> Often when I plug everything back in, the hard drive icon doesnt
> show on the desktop and time machine doesnt work.
>
> My external harddrive light is on, and its two plugs are in, and it
> is in at the hub, and the hub is connected to the computer. If I
> bypass the hub, it still doesnt work.
>
> This happens about one out of four times I disconnect, and then
> seems to come on by itself at some point, but today the icon is not
> coming back to the desktop and time maching says it cannot connect
> to do its job. In preferences it is in the on position. Is there a
> trick to get it to come back on when I replace the plug from the
> external hard drive? My mac mentor doesnt know what to do.

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From: Sandra & David <screenmobile59@[Protected]>
I had pulled cords from various parts without anything new, but I just
turned the hard drive switch off and on, and the clone and time
capsule icons came back on to the desktop, and the hard drive is
making a kind of a grinding noise and the blue light on the back of
the harddrive is blinking on and off.

Oh, the grinding and blinking just stopped. I didnt have the
common sense to check my window to see if it was just backing up.

I just ejected them again and then plugged the hub back on, and
they came right up. So what I know now is if I turn the hard drive
switch off and on, the discs might come back on, but does that mean a
problem with the hard drive? Probably no way to tell. I will keep
playing with it.

Im writing a book, so it puts my nerves on edge. (especially when
my whole book written so far disappeared for a while one day. I
always have paper copys.

All I know is I have a Lace hard drive, and John Taylor helped me get
it, so it should be a good brand. Thanks for feedback. Sandra



On Aug 24, 2009, at 12:20 PM, Shirley Kehr wrote:

I too am interested in this question. I've read of others not having
their time machine work after disconnecting the HD, so I'm afraid to
disconnect it. That HD is connected by 800 FW and there is an
available 400 FW port, so I don't have to disconnect it, but that
doesn't help you with a laptop.

I have trouble with USB devices too. Remember when we thought SCSI was
a black art? I think USB and Firewire are too, especially if you're
trying to get iMovie to control a camcorder.

I've found that when inserting an SD card into the USB reader, I have
to do it quickly. If I push it in too slowly, it won't show up. With
the Kindle, I've had good luck once I learned that it must be active
when I plug it in.

Other times, you might be able to see a hard disk using disk utility
and mount it that way. However, I usually noticed that disk utility
would see the drive but be unable to mount it so I could see it in the
Finder.

The one thing that has worked for me if the card reader doesn't see
the SD card is to reboot the computer. The next time I insert the card
after the reboot, it shows up in the Finder.

Shirley


On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> I have timemachine on my macbook, am running 10.5.8
>
> I have an external hard drive hooked up. I often disconnect my
> laptop and use it in the other room. Before I disconnect, I click on
> the icon on my desktop, and click on the window to allow me to take
> plugs off safely. (cannot rememer the words used in the window).
>
> Often when I plug everything back in, the hard drive icon doesnt
> show on the desktop and time machine doesnt work.
>
> My external harddrive light is on, and its two plugs are in, and it
> is in at the hub, and the hub is connected to the computer. If I
> bypass the hub, it still doesnt work.
>
> This happens about one out of four times I disconnect, and then
> seems to come on by itself at some point, but today the icon is not
> coming back to the desktop and time maching says it cannot connect
> to do its job. In preferences it is in the on position. Is there a
> trick to get it to come back on when I replace the plug from the
> external hard drive? My mac mentor doesnt know what to do.

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From: Shirley Kehr <shirleykat@[Protected]>
Make some CD copies as well (and/or another hard disk, flash drive,
etc.) Never depend on just one backup method.

On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> Im writing a book, so it puts my nerves on edge. (especially when
> my whole book written so far disappeared for a while one day. I
> always have paper copys.


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From: Yvonne Fried <yfried@[Protected]>
I would make a CD of DVD copy of the files that you're working with to
write the book.

Yvonne


On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:37 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> I had pulled cords from various parts without anything new, but I
> just turned the hard drive switch off and on, and the clone and time
> capsule icons came back on to the desktop, and the hard drive is
> making a kind of a grinding noise and the blue light on the back of
> the harddrive is blinking on and off.
>
> Oh, the grinding and blinking just stopped. I didnt have the
> common sense to check my window to see if it was just backing up.
>
> I just ejected them again and then plugged the hub back on, and
> they came right up. So what I know now is if I turn the hard drive
> switch off and on, the discs might come back on, but does that mean
> a problem with the hard drive? Probably no way to tell. I will
> keep playing with it.
>
> Im writing a book, so it puts my nerves on edge. (especially when
> my whole book written so far disappeared for a while one day. I
> always have paper copys.
>
> All I know is I have a Lace hard drive, and John Taylor helped me
> get it, so it should be a good brand. Thanks for feedback. Sandra


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From: Sandra & David <screenmobile59@[Protected]>
I do have mobile me, so it is out in Apple land, but I fret. I have
the hard drive backup and time machine. I cant do cds, because I keep
editing continuously, and adding chapters. I do have the printouts, so
If everything fell apart, I would retype, ugh. I was interested in
getting some flash drives for yet another safety mechanism. Thanks,
Sandra




On Aug 24, 2009, at 1:48 PM, Shirley Kehr wrote:

Make some CD copies as well (and/or another hard disk, flash drive,
etc.) Never depend on just one backup method.

On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:37 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> Im writing a book, so it puts my nerves on edge. (especially when
> my whole book written so far disappeared for a while one day. I
> always have paper copys.


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From: Yvonne Fried <yfried@[Protected]>
CDs would be much less expensive to use than having to retype your data.

You could always scan your printouts and do optical character
recognition on them and then I think you could just do a
<command><copy> and a <command><paste> into a new document.

I have a scanner and if for any reason your system fails and all
you've got are the printouts let me know and I'll see what magic there
is in scanner land.

Yvonne

You can also
On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> I do have mobile me, so it is out in Apple land, but I fret. I have
> the hard drive backup and time machine. I cant do cds, because I
> keep editing continuously, and adding chapters. I do have the
> printouts, so If everything fell apart, I would retype, ugh. I
> was interested in getting some flash drives for yet another safety
> mechanism. Thanks, Sandra
>


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From: Sandra & David <screenmobile59@[Protected]>
Yvonne, isnt Mobile -Me safe, since it is away from my computer? Im
paying a $100 a year for it, and I thought that it would be perfect to
protect my quickbooks info also.

I do have a scanner on my HP Officetjet Pro, so I will keep your info
in case my whole Mac World falls apart. That is an interesting
concept, as I did lose one small page that I must have deleted
accidentally, which is probably the most likely scenario. "I don't
need this"--click. "Now I will empty trash"-click.



On Aug 24, 2009, at 8:44 PM, Yvonne Fried wrote:

CDs would be much less expensive to use than having to retype your data.

You could always scan your printouts and do optical character
recognition on them and then I think you could just do a
<command><copy> and a <command><paste> into a new document.

I have a scanner and if for any reason your system fails and all
you've got are the printouts let me know and I'll see what magic there
is in scanner land.

Yvonne

You can also
On Aug 24, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> I do have mobile me, so it is out in Apple land, but I fret. I have
> the hard drive backup and time machine. I cant do cds, because I
> keep editing continuously, and adding chapters. I do have the
> printouts, so If everything fell apart, I would retype, ugh. I
> was interested in getting some flash drives for yet another safety
> mechanism. Thanks, Sandra
>


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From: Yvonne Fried <yfried@[Protected]>
Off site backup is another good idea.
You can't have too many good ideas.
You'd be surprised how many things you thought were secure actually
weren't.
It's happened to me on several occasions where I've lost data
permanently.
The stuff you really can't be without should have multiple forms of
backup.

Yvonne


On Aug 25, 2009, at 12:01 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> Yvonne, isnt Mobile -Me safe, since it is away from my computer? Im
> paying a $100 a year for it, and I thought that it would be perfect
> to protect my quickbooks info also.


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From: "Liza K. Christian" <windsong@[Protected]>
Bells, whistles for Time Machine
BOB LEVITUS
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tech/drmac/6653876.html#

From: "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]>
Read my mind, Liza! I was just beginning research to learn how to use
Time Machine, being frustrated by the progress bar, which showed so
little in backing up that I calculated it would be 5 days before it
finished. So I've joined Mac forums, and I'll go back to check out
ASHMUG archives as I think I saw posts about this before I knew I'd
need them.

I'm hoping to find a way to separate initial backup from updates, so I
may end up using an alternative.
Thanks!

Diana



On Oct 21, 2009, at 5:01 PM, Liza K. Christian wrote:

> Bells, whistles for Time Machine
> BOB LEVITUS
> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/tech/drmac/6653876.html#

From: Lois Arthur <lois.arthur@[Protected]>
My Desktop icon shows 111.67 GB---03GB free. Time Machine in Systems shows
"available 47 GB of 111.7GB." Why the discrepancy and which is correct?
Lois

From: Shirley Kehr <shirleykat@[Protected]>
If you're talking about the difference between .67 and .7, that's just
rounding up on the Time Machine. If you're talking about the
difference between 03GB free and 47 GB free, that's because they are
two different hard drives. One has more storage space than the other.
Even though your external drive might have been labeled as the same
general size as your Mac's internal drive, the labels applied to hard
drives are only wildly approximate. (A few gigabytes here, a few
gigabytes there, and pretty soon you're talking about real storage
space :-)

Shirley

On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Lois Arthur wrote:

> My Desktop icon shows 111.67 GB---03GB free. Time Machine in
> Systems shows "available 47 GB of 111.7GB." Why the discrepancy and
> which is correct?
> Lois


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From: Marmalute <mkowens@[Protected]>
I hope this illustrates what you were discussing:

Here is a Screen Shot taken 1st selecting my MBP HD --> then choosing Get Info
Note: Capacity 199.72 GB--> Used 79.66GB --> Available 120.04 GB

Below the HD Icon on my Desktop --> 199.71G 4 GB free
The image on the desktop seems to be abbreviated:)

From: Marmalute <mkowens@[Protected]>
oops- here is the Get Info image of Time Machine HD
I forgot to put in that last email

From: Shirley Kehr <shirleykat@[Protected]>
Maybe I don't understand your question.

Let's assume you realize you are dealing with two different hard
drives. One is larger than the other (Capacity 199.71 vs 319.94).

You have 79.66 GB of data on the internal HD and 144.91 GB of data on
the Time Machine HD.

Time Machine backs up different versions of files without throwing
away the old versions. So if you are working on a document, Time
Machine is writing a copy of the document every hour. If you work on
it for 4 hours, you have 4 versions of the document in Time Machine
but only the latest version on your internal hard disk. So the Time
Machine data keeps growing because you're always adding new copies of
anything that changes.

The other day, I accidentally saved a smaller version of a photo. My
practice is to never modify my original photos, but instead to use
Save As to make new copies of modified photos. Time Machine had not
only my latest version in which I had accidentally thrown away most of
the pixels, but it also had a copy of the original photo. I was able
to restore the full size photo back where it belonged.

Shirley

On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Marmalute wrote:

> I hope this illustrates what you were discussing:
>
> Here is a Screen Shot taken 1st selecting my MBP HD --> then
> choosing Get Info
> Note: Capacity 199.72 GB--> Used 79.66GB --> Available 120.04 GB
>
> Below the HD Icon on my Desktop --> 199.71G 4 GB free
> The image on the desktop seems to be abbreviated:)
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Shirley Kehr wrote:
>
>> If you're talking about the difference between .67 and .7, that's
>> just rounding up on the Time Machine. If you're talking about the
>> difference between 03GB free and 47 GB free, that's because they
>> are two different hard drives. One has more storage space than the
>> other. Even though your external drive might have been labeled as
>> the same general size as your Mac's internal drive, the labels
>> applied to hard drives are only wildly approximate. (A few
>> gigabytes here, a few gigabytes there, and pretty soon you're
>> talking about real storage space :-)
>>
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Lois Arthur wrote:
>>
>>> My Desktop icon shows 111.67 GB---03GB free. Time Machine in
>>> Systems shows "available 47 GB of 111.7GB." Why the discrepancy
>>> and which is correct?


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From: Lois Arthur <lois.arthur@[Protected]>
Thanks for suggestions. Sorry I was less than clear on question. My Time
Machine Backups icon on desktop shows only 03 GB free. When I go to Systems
in Time Machine that is showing 79 GB free. This only refers to external
hard drive doesn't it?
Lois

On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 5:54 AM, Shirley Kehr <shirleykat@[Protected]> wrote:

> Maybe I don't understand your question.
>
> Let's assume you realize you are dealing with two different hard drives.
> One is larger than the other (Capacity 199.71 vs 319.94).
>
> You have 79.66 GB of data on the internal HD and 144.91 GB of data on the
> Time Machine HD.
>
> Time Machine backs up different versions of files without throwing away the
> old versions. So if you are working on a document, Time Machine is writing a
> copy of the document every hour. If you work on it for 4 hours, you have 4
> versions of the document in Time Machine but only the latest version on your
> internal hard disk. So the Time Machine data keeps growing because you're
> always adding new copies of anything that changes.
>
> The other day, I accidentally saved a smaller version of a photo. My
> practice is to never modify my original photos, but instead to use Save As
> to make new copies of modified photos. Time Machine had not only my latest
> version in which I had accidentally thrown away most of the pixels, but it
> also had a copy of the original photo. I was able to restore the full size
> photo back where it belonged.
>
> Shirley
>
>
> On Nov 12, 2009, at 8:34 PM, Marmalute wrote:
>
> I hope this illustrates what you were discussing:
>>
>> Here is a Screen Shot taken 1st selecting my MBP HD --> then choosing Get
>> Info
>> Note: Capacity 199.72 GB--> Used 79.66GB --> Available 120.04 GB
>>
>> Below the HD Icon on my Desktop --> 199.71G 4 GB free
>> The image on the desktop seems to be abbreviated:)
>>
>>
>> On Nov 12, 2009, at 1:32 PM, Shirley Kehr wrote:
>>
>> If you're talking about the difference between .67 and .7, that's just
>>> rounding up on the Time Machine. If you're talking about the difference
>>> between 03GB free and 47 GB free, that's because they are two different hard
>>> drives. One has more storage space than the other. Even though your external
>>> drive might have been labeled as the same general size as your Mac's
>>> internal drive, the labels applied to hard drives are only wildly
>>> approximate. (A few gigabytes here, a few gigabytes there, and pretty soon
>>> you're talking about real storage space :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 12, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Lois Arthur wrote:
>>>
>>> My Desktop icon shows 111.67 GB---03GB free. Time Machine in Systems
>>>> shows "available 47 GB of 111.7GB." Why the discrepancy and which is
>>>> correct?
>>>>
>>>
>
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From: Shirley Kehr <shirleykat@[Protected]>
Unfortunately, trying to describe what we are experiencing on our Macs
via email, even with pictures, is rather limited sometimes. Mostly
that's because of our different vocabularies. So we'll do the best we
can here.

On Nov 14, 2009, at 11:49 AM, Lois Arthur wrote:

> My Time Machine Backups icon on desktop shows only 03 GB free.


I don't know what icon you are referring to. I don't normally display
the icons of hard drives on my desktop, but I turned them back on to
see if I could figure out what you're looking at. Here's a picture of
my TimeMachine icon as it appears on my desktop. The only way I know
of to see its statistics is to do Get Info for that icon. You already
showed us your Get Info and I didn't see anything like 03 GB free.
Here's the Get Info for my TimeMachine partition. Are you talking
about either of these areas?




Can you show us a picture of what your icon looks like so we can see
that 03 GB free?

> When I go to Systems in Time Machine that is showing 79 GB free.
> This only refers to external hard drive doesn't it?


I don't know what you mean by "go to Systems in Time Machine." Can you
give us a step-by-step procedure? Is that something you can take a
picture of?

Maybe you are running Snow Leopard and it's different. I'm still on
Leopard, so someone else will have to step in and help with Snow
Leopard.

Shirley

From: Sandra & David <screenmobile59@[Protected]>

From: Shirley Kehr <shirleykat@[Protected]>

From: Paul Collins <paul@[Protected]>
On May 27, 2010, at 3:47 PM, Sandra & David wrote:

> I didnt want to "restore" it, just a copy, so the present incarnation would not be changed.
>
> Also, if I had happened to click "restore," and it was a mistake, how would I cancel that to bring the present one back? Thanks, Sandra


Go ahead and click Restore. If the file you are restoring exists in the same place "Now", a dialog will appear asking whether you want to replace it or "Keep Both". By using "Keep Both" you won't delete your "present incarnation" -- instead it is renamed with "(original)". It can be bit confusing as to which is which, but just look at the modify dates of the 2 files and you'll know.

I think there's also a cancel button in that same dialog if you really don't want anything to happen at that point.

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