watching TV

From: mark greenberg <mrgapc@[Protected]>
I get my internet access and TV via Charter cable--is it possible to
route the TV signal through the computer--essentially using the
beautiful 21 inch monitor as the TV monitor--and watch cable
programming in real time as I would with a TV monitor?
mark greenberg

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From: "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]>
As far as I know, only for a price (and probably for a hefty one, even
if you "bundle") You can call Charter and ask, but I bet you won't
like the answer.
Sorry,
Diana

On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:23 PM, mark greenberg wrote:

> I get my internet access and TV via Charter cable--is it possible to
> route the TV signal through the computer--essentially using the
> beautiful 21 inch monitor as the TV monitor--and watch cable
> programming in real time as I would with a TV monitor?
> mark greenberg


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From: Marmalute <mkowens@[Protected]>
Mark-
Check out what Elgato EyeTV has out for that purpose.

I use a product of theirs bought 2 yrs back, for watching TV on my Mac.

I know they keep upgrading both their products and software and are
very reliable company to work with.

PS - I found mine onsale during the holidays:)

- MKOwens

On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:04 PM, "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]> wrote:

> As far as I know, only for a price (and probably for a hefty one,
> even if you "bundle") You can call Charter and ask, but I bet you
> won't like the answer.
> Sorry,
> Diana
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:23 PM, mark greenberg wrote:
>
>> I get my internet access and TV via Charter cable--is it possible
>> to route the TV signal through the computer--essentially using the
>> beautiful 21 inch monitor as the TV monitor--and watch cable
>> programming in real time as I would with a TV monitor?
>> mark greenberg
>
>
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From: "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]>
This is good news. Can you watch only live TV or can you also watch
programmed TV this way, bypassing VHS or Tivo?
Diana Morley

On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Marmalute wrote:

> Mark-
> Check out what Elgato EyeTV has out for that purpose.
>
> I use a product of theirs bought 2 yrs back, for watching TV on my
> Mac.
>
> I know they keep upgrading both their products and software and are
> very reliable company to work with.
>
> PS - I found mine onsale during the holidays:)
>
> - MKOwens
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:04 PM, "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]> wrote:
>
>> As far as I know, only for a price (and probably for a hefty one,
>> even if you "bundle") You can call Charter and ask, but I bet you
>> won't like the answer.
>> Sorry,
>> Diana
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:23 PM, mark greenberg wrote:
>>
>>> I get my internet access and TV via Charter cable--is it possible
>>> to route the TV signal through the computer--essentially using the
>>> beautiful 21 inch monitor as the TV monitor--and watch cable
>>> programming in real time as I would with a TV monitor?
>>> mark greenberg
>>
>>
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From: Marmalute <mkowens@[Protected]>
Just depends on which of their products you buy. You can set it up to
record. Mine came with latest ( then) version of Roxio Toast. They
have an extensive menu set up.

Check out their web site and/or FaceBook fan page for latest info.

- MKOwens

On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:14 PM, "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]> wrote:

> This is good news. Can you watch only live TV or can you also watch
> programmed TV this way, bypassing VHS or Tivo?
> Diana Morley
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:10 PM, Marmalute wrote:
>
>> Mark-
>> Check out what Elgato EyeTV has out for that purpose.
>>
>> I use a product of theirs bought 2 yrs back, for watching TV on my
>> Mac.
>>
>> I know they keep upgrading both their products and software and are
>> very reliable company to work with.
>>
>> PS - I found mine onsale during the holidays:)
>>
>> - MKOwens
>>
>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:04 PM, "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> As far as I know, only for a price (and probably for a hefty one,
>>> even if you "bundle") You can call Charter and ask, but I bet you
>>> won't like the answer.
>>> Sorry,
>>> Diana
>>>
>>> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:23 PM, mark greenberg wrote:
>>>
>>>> I get my internet access and TV via Charter cable--is it possible
>>>> to route the TV signal through the computer--essentially using
>>>> the beautiful 21 inch monitor as the TV monitor--and watch cable
>>>> programming in real time as I would with a TV monitor?
>>>> mark greenberg
>>>
>>>
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From: Peter DeGroot <ashlandpete@[Protected]>
You can do this via a computer TV tuner like EYE TV. http://tinyurl.com/7wrlru The least expensive model is the Eye TV Hybrid. The 2009 model is about $125, but you can still find the older model, which will work just fine, for about $90-100. I think the only big difference is that the newer model will also tune FM radio.

It is called a Hybrid, because it will tune both analog and digital (HD and non-HD digital) channels. Which is what you want, because cable still converts many channels back to analog, even though they are broadcast digitally.

It comes with software that allows you to record for later viewing, record and watch X minutes behind while continuing to record (so you can skip over the commercials) and most other Tivo like features. You can also convert EYE TV recordings into other formats that you can put into iMovie, play on iPod/iPhone, on Apple TV, etc., and if you have Toast, Eye TV is integrated with it for quick burning to DVD (or DVD disk images that you can watch with DVD Player).

It has a pretty good editor that allows you extract portions of recordings, trim out commercials, etc.

If you are going to record and watch HD TV you need a mac with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor running at 2 GHZ or better. 2GB Ram will work, but things improved significantly when I bumped mine up to 4 GB.

Peter


On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:23 PM, mark greenberg wrote:

> I get my internet access and TV via Charter cable--is it possible to route the TV signal through the computer--essentially using the beautiful 21 inch monitor as the TV monitor--and watch cable programming in real time as I would with a TV monitor?
> mark greenberg
>
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From: "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]>
Good news! Thanks a lot Peter.

Diana

On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Peter DeGroot wrote:

> You can do this via a computer TV tuner like EYE TV. http://tinyurl.com/7wrlru
> The least expensive model is the Eye TV Hybrid. The 2009 model is
> about $125, but you can still find the older model, which will work
> just fine, for about $90-100. I think the only big difference is
> that the newer model will also tune FM radio.
>
> It is called a Hybrid, because it will tune both analog and digital
> (HD and non-HD digital) channels. Which is what you want, because
> cable still converts many channels back to analog, even though they
> are broadcast digitally.
>
> It comes with software that allows you to record for later viewing,
> record and watch X minutes behind while continuing to record (so you
> can skip over the commercials) and most other Tivo like features.
> You can also convert EYE TV recordings into other formats that you
> can put into iMovie, play on iPod/iPhone, on Apple TV, etc., and if
> you have Toast, Eye TV is integrated with it for quick burning to
> DVD (or DVD disk images that you can watch with DVD Player).
>
> It has a pretty good editor that allows you extract portions of
> recordings, trim out commercials, etc.
>
> If you are going to record and watch HD TV you need a mac with an
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor running at 2 GHZ or better. 2GB Ram will
> work, but things improved significantly when I bumped mine up to 4 GB.
>
> Peter

From: Marmalute <mkowens@[Protected]>
ElGato also has an App for iPhone / iPod Touch:)

- MKOwens

On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:01 PM, "Diana M." <dm88morl@[Protected]> wrote:

> Good news! Thanks a lot Peter.
>
> Diana
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Peter DeGroot wrote:
>
>> You can do this via a computer TV tuner like EYE TV. http://tinyurl.com/7wrlru
>> The least expensive model is the Eye TV Hybrid. The 2009 model is
>> about $125, but you can still find the older model, which will work
>> just fine, for about $90-100. I think the only big difference is
>> that the newer model will also tune FM radio.
>>
>> It is called a Hybrid, because it will tune both analog and digital
>> (HD and non-HD digital) channels. Which is what you want, because
>> cable still converts many channels back to analog, even though they
>> are broadcast digitally.
>>
>> It comes with software that allows you to record for later viewing,
>> record and watch X minutes behind while continuing to record (so
>> you can skip over the commercials) and most other Tivo like
>> features. You can also convert EYE TV recordings into other formats
>> that you can put into iMovie, play on iPod/iPhone, on Apple TV,
>> etc., and if you have Toast, Eye TV is integrated with it for quick
>> burning to DVD (or DVD disk images that you can watch with DVD
>> Player).
>>
>> It has a pretty good editor that allows you extract portions of
>> recordings, trim out commercials, etc.
>>
>> If you are going to record and watch HD TV you need a mac with an
>> Intel Core 2 Duo processor running at 2 GHZ or better. 2GB Ram will
>> work, but things improved significantly when I bumped mine up to 4
>> GB.
>>
>> Peter
>

From: Doug Gentry <doug@[Protected]>
And you need a humongous hard drive - don't you? All that video takes
a hunk of space.

Plus - I wonder where Apple TV fits into the possible mix?

.....Doug

On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Peter DeGroot wrote:

>
>
> If you are going to record and watch HD TV you need a mac with an
> Intel Core 2 Duo processor running at 2 GHZ or better. 2GB Ram will
> work, but things improved significantly when I bumped mine up to 4 GB.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:23 PM, mark greenberg wrote:
>
>> I get my internet access and TV via Charter cable--is it possible
>> to route the TV signal through the computer--essentially using the
>> beautiful 21 inch monitor as the TV monitor--and watch cable
>> programming in real time as I would with a TV monitor?
>> mark greenberg
>>
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From: Peter DeGroot <ashlandpete@[Protected]>
Forgot to add a few other important details:

Of course Eye TV will receive all digital (HD and non-HD) over-the-air broadcasts via an antenna. However, EyeTV receives only unencrypted analog and digital cable signals. Don't know if Charter is encrypted or not. If you need a set-top box at least some of the channels are encrypted. You could check if any are unencrypted by hooking the cable up directly to your TV. I have Ashland TV Cable, which is all unencrypted, so this is not a problem for me. A connector is included that allows you to input signals from a cable or satellite set-top box. However, this will allow you to view only the non-HD channels and you have to change channels with the set-top box, so in this case you would need a second set-top box for your computer.

One other limitation of EyeTV that is not mentioned on their website is that you can't watch one channel while recording another.

There is an interactive on-screen program guide from TV Guide which allows you to clock on a channel to start watching it live, or click on a program to start recording or to schedule a recording. It is free for the first year (at least it used to be) and after that costs $20/year.

Peter

On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Peter DeGroot wrote:

> You can do this via a computer TV tuner like EYE TV. http://tinyurl.com/7wrlru The least expensive model is the Eye TV Hybrid. The 2009 model is about $125, but you can still find the older model, which will work just fine, for about $90-100. I think the only big difference is that the newer model will also tune FM radio.
>
> It is called a Hybrid, because it will tune both analog and digital (HD and non-HD digital) channels. Which is what you want, because cable still converts many channels back to analog, even though they are broadcast digitally.
>
> It comes with software that allows you to record for later viewing, record and watch X minutes behind while continuing to record (so you can skip over the commercials) and most other Tivo like features. You can also convert EYE TV recordings into other formats that you can put into iMovie, play on iPod/iPhone, on Apple TV, etc., and if you have Toast, Eye TV is integrated with it for quick burning to DVD (or DVD disk images that you can watch with DVD Player).
>
> It has a pretty good editor that allows you extract portions of recordings, trim out commercials, etc.
>
> If you are going to record and watch HD TV you need a mac with an Intel Core 2 Duo processor running at 2 GHZ or better. 2GB Ram will work, but things improved significantly when I bumped mine up to 4 GB.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 5:23 PM, mark greenberg wrote:
>
>> I get my internet access and TV via Charter cable--is it possible to route the TV signal through the computer--essentially using the beautiful 21 inch monitor as the TV monitor--and watch cable programming in real time as I would with a TV monitor?
>> mark greenberg
>>
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From: "Liza K. Christian" <windsong@[Protected]>
This may be a parenthetical question, but I'll post it here as it
seems related.

I have a MacPro Desktop (Intel). I do not have cable t.v. nor do I
plan to have cable. In fact, I actually don't watch t.v. although I
do have an HD-TV that is not yet hooked up. I desire to watch
programs that are generated by websites on the Internet or maybe were
television shows and are available through HULU or the like. I
suspect that a MacMini would be better than a laptop for this, but I
don't know. Also, I'm uncertain what other things (software/hardware)
need to be in place in order to receive the signal from my computer
which is in a different room than the television.

Thanks in advance for any tips... .

>
> On Nov 15, 2009, at 6:31 PM, Peter DeGroot wrote:
>
>> You can do this via a computer TV tuner like EYE TV. http://
>> tinyurl.com/7wrlru The least expensive model is the Eye TV
>> Hybrid. The 2009 model is about $125, but you can still find the
>> older model, which will work just fine, for about $90-100. I think
>> the only big difference is that the newer model will also tune FM
>> radio.
>>
>> It is called a Hybrid, because it will tune both analog and
>> digital (HD and non-HD digital) channels. Which is what you want,
>> because cable still converts many channels back to analog, even
>> though they are broadcast digitally.
>>
>> It comes with software that allows you to record for later
>> viewing, record and watch X minutes behind while continuing to
>> record (so you can skip over the commercials) and most other Tivo
>> like features. You can also convert EYE TV recordings into other
>> formats that you can put into iMovie, play on iPod/iPhone, on
>> Apple TV, etc., and if you have Toast, Eye TV is integrated with
>> it for quick burning to DVD (or DVD disk images that you can watch
>> with DVD Player).
>>
>> It has a pretty good editor that allows you extract portions of
>> recordings, trim out commercials, etc.
>>
>> If you are going to record and watch HD TV you need a mac with an
>> Intel Core 2 Duo processor running at 2 GHZ or better. 2GB Ram
>> will work, but things improved significantly when I bumped mine up
>> to 4 GB.
>>
>> Peter
>



MacPro Desktop
Dual-Core Intel Processor
OS 10.4.11
Processor Speed 2.66 GHz

From: Peter DeGroot <ashlandpete@[Protected]>
Hi Doug-

On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:14 PM, Doug Gentry wrote:

> And you need a humongous hard drive - don't you? All that video takes a hunk of space.

It's not too bad. An hour of HD takes about 5.5 GB, an hour of non-HD digital about 1.5 GB and an hour of analog about 2.5 GB. I seldom have more than 10-12 recordings in eye TV format at a given time. Anything I really want to keep I convert and burn to a DVD or store in some other format on an external drive.

>
> Plus - I wonder where Apple TV fits into the possible mix?

Eye TV has an "Export to Apple TV" button which exports the recording to Apple TV format. Since I don't have Apple TV, I haven't tried it so don't knowe how long it takes and what you do with it afterwards.

Peter



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From: Peter DeGroot <ashlandpete@[Protected]>
Liza-

There is a gizmo called Slingbox which sends whatever is on your TV to your computer (and allows you to control your TV from your computer as well), but I gather that this is the opposite of what you want to do.

If I understand it correctly, you want to get video streamed to your computer onto your TV (in the other room). Basically, you would need to set up your TV as an external display. This is easy to do with wires, but I don't know of a wireless solution, and didn't find one in a quick Google search.

Peter

On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Liza K. Christian wrote:

> This may be a parenthetical question, but I'll post it here as it seems related.
>
> I have a MacPro Desktop (Intel). I do not have cable t.v. nor do I plan to have cable. In fact, I actually don't watch t.v. although I do have an HD-TV that is not yet hooked up. I desire to watch programs that are generated by websites on the Internet or maybe were television shows and are available through HULU or the like. I suspect that a MacMini would be better than a laptop for this, but I don't know. Also, I'm uncertain what other things (software/hardware) need to be in place in order to receive the signal from my computer which is in a different room than the television.
>
> Thanks in advance for any tips... .
>


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From: Peter DeGroot <ashlandpete@[Protected]>
Liza -

Out of curiosity, I did little more digging did uncover a possible wireless solution. Elgato (EyeTV) also sells EyeConnect software http://tinyurl.com/3rme3b ($50) which can stream video and audio content from your Mac to a Wireless Media Player such as the D-Link DSM 520 http://www.amazon.com/D-Link-Wireless-HD-Media-Player/dp/B000A4AVQO hooked to your HD TV. However, I downloaded the user manual for the EyeConnect software, and all it talks about is sending video and audio from files (in iTunes and elsewhere). It's not clear that video streamed from the internet could be sent.

Peter

On Nov 15, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Liza K. Christian wrote:

> This may be a parenthetical question, but I'll post it here as it seems related.
>
> I have a MacPro Desktop (Intel). I do not have cable t.v. nor do I plan to have cable. In fact, I actually don't watch t.v. although I do have an HD-TV that is not yet hooked up. I desire to watch programs that are generated by websites on the Internet or maybe were television shows and are available through HULU or the like. I suspect that a MacMini would be better than a laptop for this, but I don't know. Also, I'm uncertain what other things (software/hardware) need to be in place in order to receive the signal from my computer which is in a different room than the television.
>
> Thanks in advance for any tips... .